1 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:01,939 this is James Randi and you're listening 2 00:00:13,850 --> 00:00:11,010 to the skeptic zone welcome to the 3 00:00:26,670 --> 00:00:13,860 skeptic zone the podcast from Australia 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:29,590 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 5 00:00:36,130 --> 00:00:33,410 episode number 296 for the 22nd of jun 6 00:00:42,340 --> 00:00:36,140 2014 Richard Saunders here with you from 7 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:42,350 Sydney Australia whoo and part two yes 8 00:00:49,780 --> 00:00:46,370 this week we have a two-parter we do ah 9 00:00:52,030 --> 00:00:49,790 i joined joe alabaster and head up to 10 00:00:54,250 --> 00:00:52,040 Katoomba in the Blue Mountains Joe live 11 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:54,260 quite near there and we check out the 12 00:01:01,509 --> 00:00:57,050 winter magic festival of katoomba which 13 00:01:03,610 --> 00:01:01,519 is a huge street fair with lots of magic 14 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:03,620 and sort of wintery things happening up 15 00:01:08,890 --> 00:01:05,870 there to celebrate the winter solstice 16 00:01:12,190 --> 00:01:08,900 what will we find will we find mysticism 17 00:01:14,980 --> 00:01:12,200 will we find magic join us shortly and 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:14,990 find out after that it's a week in 19 00:01:19,210 --> 00:01:16,250 science from our good friends at the 20 00:01:22,930 --> 00:01:19,220 Royal Institution I Australia w WR I a 21 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:22,940 u.s. dot org dot au not much magic there 22 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:25,790 but plenty of science then its rule week 23 00:01:31,390 --> 00:01:28,610 in part two as I head for these festival 24 00:01:34,660 --> 00:01:31,400 of mind body spirit or as we have been 25 00:01:37,210 --> 00:01:34,670 calling it for years and years mind body 26 00:01:40,590 --> 00:01:37,220 wallet and then the round off the show 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:40,600 evidence please with Joe alabaster Joe 28 00:01:47,050 --> 00:01:43,930 continuing her look at parenting 29 00:01:49,270 --> 00:01:47,060 skeptically and there's a Facebook site 30 00:01:51,550 --> 00:01:49,280 that Joe is put together with Lauren 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:51,560 Cochran from Canberra if you go to 32 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:53,210 facebook and look for parenting 33 00:01:59,920 --> 00:01:56,930 skeptically um you'll see that this week 34 00:02:03,970 --> 00:01:59,930 Joe looks at the early years young 35 00:02:06,820 --> 00:02:03,980 children what whoo can she find out 36 00:02:09,550 --> 00:02:06,830 about or aimed at parents with the young 37 00:02:11,949 --> 00:02:09,560 children and I hear that Joe alabaster 38 00:02:14,740 --> 00:02:11,959 is also heading for him briz skeptic amp 39 00:02:18,490 --> 00:02:14,750 breathe skeptic ambar skeptic camp in 40 00:02:20,380 --> 00:02:18,500 brisbane australia ah mm I wonder if I 41 00:02:22,690 --> 00:02:20,390 can sort of hitchhike my way up to 42 00:02:23,979 --> 00:02:22,700 Brisbane for that now I must admit 43 00:02:27,070 --> 00:02:23,989 friends that this week's show is a 44 00:02:30,339 --> 00:02:27,080 little shorter than your average skeptic 45 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:30,349 zone I've been very busy this week got a 46 00:02:36,099 --> 00:02:32,870 new job on and running around quite a 47 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:36,109 bit up and down the coast so a little 48 00:02:38,010 --> 00:02:37,310 bit of a shorter show this week 49 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:38,020 nevermind 50 00:02:41,130 --> 00:02:39,790 you more time to um well I don't know 51 00:02:43,980 --> 00:02:41,140 check out some of the websites we 52 00:02:45,450 --> 00:02:43,990 mentioned along the way but now it's 53 00:02:47,390 --> 00:02:45,460 time for me to run downstairs making 54 00:02:51,660 --> 00:02:47,400 sure that Fred the cat has lots of her 55 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:51,670 yummy yummy cat food in his bowl as for 56 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:53,350 me I'm going to go into the cotan see if 57 00:03:00,060 --> 00:02:57,250 I haven't got some peanut butter cups oh 58 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:00,070 man I probably don't because as soon as 59 00:03:05,310 --> 00:03:02,410 they come into the house and they 60 00:03:07,140 --> 00:03:05,320 magically disappear somehow well I'm 61 00:03:27,980 --> 00:03:07,150 doing that by hope you enjoy the 62 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:32,040 it's the 21st of June the first day of 63 00:03:37,290 --> 00:03:34,690 winter Joe alabaster here we are at 64 00:03:38,940 --> 00:03:37,300 katoomba and it's the what is it they 65 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:38,950 call it the magic festival the weather 66 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:41,050 magic first of all the winter magic 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:43,090 first of all we're in the main street of 68 00:03:53,390 --> 00:03:51,710 passing something very loud strolling up 69 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:53,400 to the top of the street cuz the whole 70 00:03:58,250 --> 00:03:55,890 street stretching a couple of kilometres 71 00:04:00,920 --> 00:03:58,260 I guess there's nothing with street 72 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:00,930 stalls and this is really a bit of a 73 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:03,510 wool fest isn't a job it certainly can 74 00:04:10,220 --> 00:04:07,710 be yes well that's the promise that's 75 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:10,230 why like that's why I'm here so we're 76 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:12,630 going to be poking around this first of 77 00:04:18,110 --> 00:04:14,450 all as we get through the crowd and 78 00:04:21,620 --> 00:04:18,120 seeing what we can we can report on for 79 00:04:24,010 --> 00:04:21,630 the zone and I've been getting some 80 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:24,020 lovely comments about your latest 81 00:04:30,530 --> 00:04:26,970 reports Joe about parenting that's very 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:30,540 lovely excellent to hear ya and I hope 83 00:04:34,820 --> 00:04:33,330 more to come yes yes more to come I 84 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:34,830 don't know how am i doing one this week 85 00:04:38,690 --> 00:04:37,500 I don't well hop on this week well by 86 00:04:40,730 --> 00:04:38,700 the time listeners hear this show 87 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:40,740 they'll know that will indeed they can 88 00:04:45,740 --> 00:04:44,250 see the future and I cannot well let's 89 00:04:48,980 --> 00:04:45,750 make our way to the top of the street 90 00:04:51,210 --> 00:04:48,990 will meander solely down and see what we 91 00:04:53,790 --> 00:04:51,220 can see 92 00:05:01,210 --> 00:04:53,800 good heavens as a wizard coming towards 93 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:03,820 it wouldn't be a witness of that drums 94 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:06,470 Joe certainly not take me back to 95 00:05:19,790 --> 00:05:16,370 well it didn't take us long we're 96 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:19,800 passing the candle store which makes 97 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:22,650 candles and I quote as soon as the 98 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:24,450 people move away Australian beeswax 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:27,510 candles reliefs negative ions and 100 00:05:33,980 --> 00:05:29,730 neutralized pollens allergens and dust 101 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:33,990 particles goodness me we should just run 102 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:43,260 I try to describe the scene to you it's 103 00:05:51,390 --> 00:05:47,590 a beautiful bright sunny wintry day up 104 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:51,400 here in the Blue Mountains streets and 105 00:05:58,140 --> 00:05:54,610 streets are covered with their or lined 106 00:06:03,000 --> 00:05:58,150 with lots of different stores all sorts 107 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:03,010 of things as stall selling hats someone 108 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:06,190 selling portrait photography lots of 109 00:06:10,260 --> 00:06:08,290 clothes of different kinds what do we 110 00:06:12,650 --> 00:06:10,270 have over here looks like someone's 111 00:06:17,370 --> 00:06:12,660 selling different paints some teas 112 00:06:21,750 --> 00:06:17,380 pancakes dutch pancakes haul your hand 113 00:06:23,790 --> 00:06:21,760 in wax your hand in wax Himalayan yummy 114 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:23,800 kitchen lots of food here folks and lots 115 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:25,889 of people dressed up and all sorts of 116 00:06:31,469 --> 00:06:28,210 some Mouse ears over there lots of 117 00:06:35,850 --> 00:06:31,479 wizards and in a health and wellness 118 00:06:39,469 --> 00:06:35,860 we're passing now aloe vera they're 119 00:06:42,450 --> 00:06:39,479 flogging a magazine and they've got a 120 00:06:44,719 --> 00:06:42,460 detox as well that's that's what we want 121 00:06:47,550 --> 00:06:44,729 isn't it something Rick detoxes 122 00:06:49,529 --> 00:06:47,560 unspecified toxin that's right what 123 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:49,539 happens to the toxins once you detox 124 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:51,460 where do they go that's all I like to 125 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:54,130 know I think into the marine well then 126 00:06:58,260 --> 00:06:55,210 it's really polluting the environment 127 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:58,270 you can say we have grilled chicken and 128 00:07:05,570 --> 00:07:02,080 chips hot dogs you notice I'm noticing 129 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:05,580 all their the food stores ahead and 130 00:07:10,439 --> 00:07:08,530 German gourmet sausages it's quite 131 00:07:13,140 --> 00:07:10,449 something up here I had no idea this was 132 00:07:14,939 --> 00:07:13,150 so big I when I heard about it I thought 133 00:07:18,150 --> 00:07:14,949 it was just like a you know a little 134 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:18,160 fair or somebody with its many 350 we're 135 00:07:22,190 --> 00:07:20,590 coming up to be vegan to make a peace 136 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:22,200 stand 137 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:25,070 the greens are here the political party 138 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:28,760 the herb store sign the petition 139 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:32,130 bastards budget sign here there we go we 140 00:07:36,450 --> 00:07:33,810 can bust Abbott's budget if we sign 141 00:07:48,089 --> 00:07:40,070 what's this one supreme master Ching 142 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:48,099 what's that one looks like Animal Farm 143 00:07:52,650 --> 00:07:49,870 we've got the horse and the goat in the 144 00:07:58,469 --> 00:07:52,660 pig and everything free DVD vegan 145 00:08:01,499 --> 00:07:58,479 recipes hmm oh well there you go thank 146 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:01,509 you organic vegan and love the way of 147 00:08:07,589 --> 00:08:04,960 living loving recipes it says be vegan 148 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:07,599 make peace oh I would miss my steaks too 149 00:08:13,830 --> 00:08:11,800 much if I did that I hope sorry I 150 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:13,840 usually the kebabs are the stakes so I 151 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:16,840 see 19 years i'm vegan now much more i 152 00:08:22,379 --> 00:08:19,330 mean majestic universe were peaceful 153 00:08:24,060 --> 00:08:22,389 friendly with easels i wouldn't give a 154 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:24,070 kebab or anything but you know I don't 155 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:25,599 know I just assigning jobs i have a 156 00:08:31,409 --> 00:08:28,930 problem let us show the crowd sales at 157 00:08:33,750 --> 00:08:31,419 the moment so in this non tears you know 158 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:33,760 process what has going to reverse you 159 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:36,700 yeah i've been so many I I guess that's 160 00:08:40,980 --> 00:08:38,169 great but if you eat a well-balanced 161 00:08:42,750 --> 00:08:40,990 diet with a bit of medium utility uses 162 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:42,760 quite healthy and well it is true look 163 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:45,130 at all you even though there is no bad 164 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:46,630 first of all everybody their chakras 165 00:08:50,910 --> 00:08:49,570 different but no if you just consciously 166 00:08:53,130 --> 00:08:50,920 she was like no we don't want to eat 167 00:08:55,710 --> 00:08:53,140 meat or we don't want to take long well 168 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:55,720 they don't judge people because you 169 00:08:58,949 --> 00:08:57,160 cannot judge people because you don't 170 00:09:01,380 --> 00:08:58,959 know the other people's you know there's 171 00:09:02,730 --> 00:09:01,390 any other way he also got so everybody's 172 00:09:04,769 --> 00:09:02,740 you know I have been helping everybody 173 00:09:07,019 --> 00:09:04,779 whatever you too that is meant for you 174 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:07,029 you know I mean why so we don't wanna 175 00:09:09,780 --> 00:09:08,260 share as you know if you're a special we 176 00:09:11,639 --> 00:09:09,790 don't even know your own so we love 177 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:11,649 everybody the same but we know that 178 00:09:14,940 --> 00:09:13,060 everybody's part all so different now 179 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:14,950 you have respect that's absolutely right 180 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:17,290 in a free society you can be vegan or 181 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:19,240 you can be immediately god bless your 182 00:09:23,950 --> 00:09:21,010 australia before that's all right thank 183 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:26,410 hey i jus I'm got a free DVD to enjoy 184 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:28,880 later fantastic it's worth checking out 185 00:09:32,830 --> 00:09:30,290 their website actually they've got some 186 00:09:36,430 --> 00:09:32,840 interesting spiritual ideas do they they 187 00:09:39,220 --> 00:09:36,440 do it yeah I thought I heard a steam 188 00:09:42,010 --> 00:09:39,230 train I thought I heard a steam train 189 00:09:44,470 --> 00:09:42,020 just Stan decided not to graph this 190 00:09:46,510 --> 00:09:44,480 straight with you oh and we've come to 191 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:46,520 the end or the beginning now we have to 192 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:48,710 turn around do it all again and what's 193 00:09:52,090 --> 00:09:50,450 that idea look at all the people running 194 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:52,100 to the bridge Justine trade there's a 195 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:54,130 steam train cutting all there it is 196 00:10:10,850 --> 00:09:57,410 goodness me run over here to the railing 197 00:10:17,150 --> 00:10:13,610 beautiful old steam train just pulled in 198 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:17,160 I had been pushed by a diesel truck can 199 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:22,030 now she's looking at the microphone now 200 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:24,320 Joe it's happened again your daughter 201 00:10:29,620 --> 00:10:26,510 will not speak on the microphone it's 202 00:10:32,790 --> 00:10:29,630 quite bizarre Daphne going to say hello 203 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:37,329 just a chatterbox before you said hello 204 00:10:46,650 --> 00:10:40,850 it is can you say hello again hello here 205 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:46,660 we go here we go we've got a sign here 206 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:49,970 Joad says what is the spirit saying to 207 00:10:56,110 --> 00:10:52,130 you it's a very good question blessing 208 00:10:58,030 --> 00:10:56,120 trio with some jewelry yeah the spirit 209 00:11:01,000 --> 00:10:58,040 is no doubt saying by our jewelry I 210 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:01,010 would say the spirit is correct and at 211 00:11:06,700 --> 00:11:02,990 least putting silver Arthur that's right 212 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:06,710 I prefer silver I just can't help myself 213 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:08,870 I look over here and i can see gourmet 214 00:11:15,940 --> 00:11:12,160 viking chargrilled gourmet sausages 215 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:17,770 okay we're sort of on the Main Street 216 00:11:22,750 --> 00:11:20,750 again at the top of the rise that goes 217 00:11:25,630 --> 00:11:22,760 down the street and eventually ends up 218 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:25,640 the three sisters look out and we can 219 00:11:31,990 --> 00:11:29,590 hardly move for the crush of people here 220 00:11:37,810 --> 00:11:32,000 this is much bigger than I ever 221 00:11:42,130 --> 00:11:40,240 passing mostly food stores at the modal 222 00:11:45,820 --> 00:11:42,140 somebody dressed up like the Joker from 223 00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:45,830 Batman as opposed to the Joker from 224 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:48,950 anywhere else I guess and if there were 225 00:11:57,860 --> 00:11:53,120 some more woo stores here be hard to see 226 00:12:03,569 --> 00:12:01,980 well we're in me a really nice library 227 00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:03,579 area here at the moment and there was a 228 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:05,440 room set aside for the mind-body-spirit 229 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:10,930 section and it's it's rather small this 230 00:12:15,569 --> 00:12:13,180 not many mind-body-spirit things 231 00:12:19,019 --> 00:12:15,579 happening in there but we're walking 232 00:12:22,590 --> 00:12:19,029 through the library now out to the big 233 00:12:24,030 --> 00:12:22,600 outside area here I think our friend 234 00:12:26,069 --> 00:12:24,040 Pete about it you're saying comes here 235 00:12:28,410 --> 00:12:26,079 quite often yes the library that Peter 236 00:12:31,110 --> 00:12:28,420 checks in on at Foursquare we're just 237 00:12:34,259 --> 00:12:31,120 walking now to the viewing platform here 238 00:12:36,449 --> 00:12:34,269 at the library and I can even see before 239 00:12:40,079 --> 00:12:36,459 me as we walk towards that the viewers 240 00:12:42,569 --> 00:12:40,089 even from here spectacular this is one 241 00:12:45,389 --> 00:12:42,579 of the most famous views in Australia 242 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:45,399 Joe the Kitumba views the three sisters 243 00:12:51,449 --> 00:12:48,490 of the Megalon Valley walking up the 244 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:51,459 ramp here mouth I think this show is 245 00:13:00,240 --> 00:12:53,920 turning into more like a travelogue 246 00:13:01,980 --> 00:13:00,250 tourister wow look at that I've never 247 00:13:05,490 --> 00:13:01,990 been to this particular vantage point 248 00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:05,500 before what a fantastic view it's quite 249 00:13:11,309 --> 00:13:07,839 new tax it's quite new is it well for 250 00:13:13,949 --> 00:13:11,319 the benefit of skeptics own fans out 251 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:13,959 there in a moment I'll take a big 252 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:16,000 panorama and I'll put it on the twitter 253 00:13:20,509 --> 00:13:19,120 at skeptic zone so you can see what 254 00:13:23,490 --> 00:13:20,519 we're looking at but it's absolutely 255 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:23,500 spectacular it couldn't be a better day 256 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:27,760 for it either the Jay you've picked up 257 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:29,230 one of the leaflets there from outside 258 00:13:34,379 --> 00:13:31,930 the mind-body-spirit room and what do we 259 00:13:37,319 --> 00:13:34,389 have here here we have Trudy and more 260 00:13:40,620 --> 00:13:37,329 who does soul surgery some sort of 261 00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:40,630 shamanic clearing says here with over 20 262 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:42,399 years experience Trudy is able to 263 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:44,110 dissolve the psychic energy stored in 264 00:13:48,660 --> 00:13:45,880 the body from past trauma such as 265 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:48,670 divorce anxiety emotional sexual abuse 266 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:52,089 grief and accidents trauma often forces 267 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:54,310 a soul fragment out of the body Trudy 268 00:14:00,060 --> 00:13:55,990 will journey to retrieve it restoring 269 00:14:05,310 --> 00:14:00,070 wholeness of being I'm convinced 270 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:05,320 I'm confused are you chuckling now Joe 271 00:14:09,270 --> 00:14:06,930 what's happening we've got some very 272 00:14:11,370 --> 00:14:09,280 cost-effective discount therapeutic 273 00:14:13,140 --> 00:14:11,380 services here we've got the most 274 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:13,150 affordable way to create change by 275 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:14,710 nurturing your senses attained in a 276 00:14:18,540 --> 00:14:16,330 piece cope with life's demands and 277 00:14:21,420 --> 00:14:18,550 enhance your quality of life i can do it 278 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:21,430 for cheaper you can I can I've had one 279 00:14:33,820 --> 00:14:24,660 of your cookies hahaha did it for me 280 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:36,800 when I was growing up in the 1970s we 281 00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:38,490 used to have things called throw downs 282 00:14:46,490 --> 00:14:40,620 and throw down to a big part of 283 00:15:00,320 --> 00:14:46,500 firecracker night and hello I'm kids 284 00:15:06,420 --> 00:15:03,330 the breeds over and we're winding our 285 00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:06,430 way down the street here still stalls 286 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:08,980 and people as far as we can see which oh 287 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:10,900 you have been winkling out a bit of woo 288 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:14,320 here now we just noticing that on the on 289 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:17,410 the poles and posts are quit smoking 290 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:20,470 signs guaranteed or something I hypnosis 291 00:15:30,220 --> 00:15:25,630 I believe ya mmm I'm skeptical I am 292 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:32,830 well we're now making our way away from 293 00:15:37,950 --> 00:15:35,930 the winter magic Joe and you're just 294 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:37,960 saying that there wasn't as much 295 00:15:43,090 --> 00:15:40,610 mysticism is woo and woo as you're 296 00:15:47,500 --> 00:15:43,100 expecting not quite as much this year no 297 00:15:50,170 --> 00:15:47,510 it's curious very curious what lack of 298 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:50,180 crystals maybe well after crystals lack 299 00:15:54,100 --> 00:15:51,950 of crystal trees but we did see the 300 00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,110 elusive blue mountains Panther we did 301 00:15:57,580 --> 00:15:56,000 see the elusive blue mountains Panther 302 00:15:59,520 --> 00:15:57,590 and we had a selfie with the blue 303 00:16:02,500 --> 00:15:59,530 mountains panther we did indeed 304 00:16:05,260 --> 00:16:02,510 cryptozoology at its best well that's 305 00:16:08,110 --> 00:16:05,270 the end of part one of our whoo weekend 306 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:08,120 coming up after the break part two where 307 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:25,840 did you see that UFO sighting that made 308 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:28,100 the news what did that latest study 309 00:16:32,230 --> 00:16:29,810 about alternative treatments really say 310 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:32,240 is this photo making the rounds real or 311 00:16:37,060 --> 00:16:35,210 hoax duffle news is a unique website 312 00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:37,070 featuring news about pseudoscience the 313 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:39,230 paranormal anomalies and questionable 314 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:40,930 claims framed with the skeptical view 315 00:16:45,630 --> 00:16:43,880 come visit doubtful newscom every day 316 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:45,640 for news about cryptozoology 317 00:16:52,270 --> 00:16:49,370 conspiracies shams scams and more follow 318 00:16:53,830 --> 00:16:52,280 us on twitter at doubtful news critical 319 00:16:56,110 --> 00:16:53,840 thinking is essential in assessing 320 00:17:05,250 --> 00:16:56,120 today's news duffel news helps you 321 00:17:10,090 --> 00:17:07,900 welcome to weaken science from our oz 322 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:10,100 bringing you the science you need to 323 00:17:14,290 --> 00:17:12,170 know everyone knows that the Earth 324 00:17:16,990 --> 00:17:14,300 orbits the Sun but how did we actually 325 00:17:21,309 --> 00:17:17,000 get to know that let me introduce you to 326 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:24,189 galileo galilei was born in Easley in 327 00:17:29,210 --> 00:17:26,850 1564 while studying medicine at 328 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:29,220 university is it what so many students 329 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:32,610 do and no not get horribly drunk found 330 00:17:36,169 --> 00:17:34,260 that his interest lay in a different 331 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:36,179 field and changed this area of study 332 00:17:41,330 --> 00:17:38,580 luckily for us he discovered his passion 333 00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:41,340 in geometry and became a mathematician 334 00:17:45,710 --> 00:17:43,679 during his work as a mathematician he 335 00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,720 changed the theory of gravity the 336 00:17:50,049 --> 00:17:48,000 previous theory devised by Aristotle 337 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:50,059 said that heavier objects fall faster 338 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:52,890 Galileo showed all objects fell at the 339 00:17:57,289 --> 00:17:55,289 same speed after several years he moves 340 00:17:59,899 --> 00:17:57,299 the University of Padua which is where 341 00:18:01,850 --> 00:17:59,909 his most famous story starts it is here 342 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:01,860 that he built his telescope and started 343 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:04,850 observing the movements of the planets 344 00:18:09,860 --> 00:18:07,890 with his telescope Galileo discovered 345 00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:09,870 the mountains on the moon and the moons 346 00:18:14,419 --> 00:18:12,720 of Jupiter but what made Galileo famous 347 00:18:16,789 --> 00:18:14,429 was his confirmation of Copernicus 348 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:16,799 theory of planets orbiting the Sun and 349 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:19,020 not the earth as religious doctrine had 350 00:18:23,210 --> 00:18:21,210 stated the discovery of Jupiter's moons 351 00:18:25,610 --> 00:18:23,220 show that not everything or was the 352 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:25,620 earth and the phases of Venus showed 353 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:28,289 that orbited the Sun Galileo realized 354 00:18:32,389 --> 00:18:30,330 that all planets including earth orbit 355 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:32,399 of the Sun and published this theory in 356 00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:35,760 1632 for guy against religious dogma the 357 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:37,860 Catholic Church found Galileo guilty of 358 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:40,260 heresy imprisoned him and banned his 359 00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:43,110 book it was only in 1992 that the 360 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:45,990 Catholic Church pardon Galileo and now 361 00:18:52,890 --> 00:18:49,750 for fast facts about planetary orbits 362 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:52,900 a common misconception is the Galileo 363 00:18:58,380 --> 00:18:55,450 wasn't religious in fact he was a devout 364 00:19:00,780 --> 00:18:58,390 Catholic Galileo thought planet's orbit 365 00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:00,790 of the Sun in circular orbits laser 366 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:02,710 Kepler found that these orbits are in 367 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:05,170 fact elliptical or oval shaped the 368 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:06,820 elliptical orbits mean the Earth's 369 00:19:11,970 --> 00:19:09,070 distance from the Sun varies by around 370 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:11,980 five million kilometers and earth speed 371 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:14,680 as over the Sun is around 30 kilometers 372 00:19:19,290 --> 00:19:17,230 per second that's it for this week in 373 00:19:21,150 --> 00:19:19,300 science more information about the 374 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:21,160 orbits of planets around the Sun Goes 375 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:25,480 the RLS website RI aus dog to a you 376 00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:28,630 follow us on twitter at arias and like 377 00:19:39,649 --> 00:19:31,060 us on facebook i'm ben lewis and we'll 378 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:42,810 ad hominem begging the question factoid 379 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:44,950 propagation false analogy false cause 380 00:19:48,899 --> 00:19:47,110 false dichotomy gibberish immunized 381 00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:48,909 hypothesis moral equivalence poison the 382 00:19:53,070 --> 00:19:50,470 well simple modern certitude stacking a 383 00:19:54,989 --> 00:19:53,080 deck and WTF are just some of the 384 00:19:57,509 --> 00:19:54,999 fallacies we provide real life examples 385 00:20:01,409 --> 00:19:57,519 of in hunting humbug 101 a podcast about 386 00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:01,419 bad arguments check it out at WWF text 387 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:22,050 Oh 388 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:24,840 hello from the mind-body wat festival 389 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:28,390 here in Sydney it's the 22nd of June 390 00:20:36,030 --> 00:20:31,090 okay I can't on the stage now on the 391 00:20:38,970 --> 00:20:36,040 main stage is a psychic and what strikes 392 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:38,980 me is what he's doing on the stage there 393 00:20:48,030 --> 00:20:44,920 is so I'm textbook cold reading it's 394 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,040 almost it's galling and people say our 395 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:50,320 Richard you should have an open mind and 396 00:20:53,250 --> 00:20:51,850 good these things and have you tried 397 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:53,260 this I can have you tried that psychic 398 00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:56,530 honestly people it's the same set of 399 00:21:01,440 --> 00:20:58,240 notes played on different instruments 400 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:01,450 what a life is there a female energy 401 00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:05,280 here etc etc asking questions 402 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:07,900 after all these years it's slightly mind 403 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:10,450 numbing never mind never mind there's 404 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:13,960 lots of other minor things here at 405 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:17,170 mind-body wild here in Sydney healing 406 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:19,990 crystals lots of people offering health 407 00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:23,650 checks one wonders about the legalities 408 00:21:29,870 --> 00:21:27,280 of using these terms but anyway lots of 409 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:29,880 readings lots of people selling 410 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:34,960 certainly unproven pseudo medicines for 411 00:21:41,490 --> 00:21:39,250 your ills there are devices which you 412 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:41,500 hold on to they run through a computer 413 00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:44,890 then then tell you your ills things like 414 00:21:48,810 --> 00:21:46,120 that and just walking down one of the 415 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:48,820 Isles here what do we have here really 416 00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,119 the skin scroll art I'm not sure that is 417 00:22:02,979 --> 00:21:59,840 Chinese brush painting oh that's very 418 00:22:06,249 --> 00:22:02,989 nice there you go another tour going on 419 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:06,259 here POS equal Bell gotta love that it 420 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:08,090 just stops your back flow just in case 421 00:22:13,629 --> 00:22:10,100 you're adjusting about stuff that moves 422 00:22:15,940 --> 00:22:13,639 through your vows so what happened in my 423 00:22:19,629 --> 00:22:15,950 spare time I was 14 I was going in and 424 00:22:21,789 --> 00:22:19,639 out of talk is entitled us how the human 425 00:22:24,129 --> 00:22:21,799 cells in the body are affected by the 426 00:22:27,659 --> 00:22:24,139 environment around them how to avoid 427 00:22:30,729 --> 00:22:27,669 guest wrote back gastrointestinal 428 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:30,739 illness and cancer I think I've been 429 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:32,050 listening 430 00:22:37,620 --> 00:22:34,090 do you have here I'll see another one 431 00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:37,630 stem cell nutrition free water testing 432 00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:41,340 hmm who I sense a marketing opportunity 433 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:44,680 there lots of people here I must say 434 00:22:49,050 --> 00:22:47,260 it's not in its normal location this 435 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:49,060 year it's way out in the burbs a little 436 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:52,030 bit you're hard to get to it still the 437 00:23:00,080 --> 00:22:56,890 joint is packed it really is deep muscle 438 00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:00,090 massage hey what's wrong with that ah 439 00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:03,280 here we go clairvoyant palmistry Tarot 440 00:23:14,509 --> 00:23:11,210 there's money in them narrow that 441 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:14,519 psychic industry let's walk around the 442 00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:17,210 corner here let's see what we can see 443 00:23:25,639 --> 00:23:21,419 more stands that's a purple today unless 444 00:23:28,399 --> 00:23:25,649 a sacred missed and hit an HSS i'm not 445 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:28,409 sure what HFS dance for the audio 446 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:31,710 hearing loss can affect anybody well 447 00:23:37,989 --> 00:23:33,570 that's true college of complementary 448 00:23:40,779 --> 00:23:37,999 medicine here certificate in kinesiology 449 00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:40,789 hmm those of you who know my video might 450 00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:44,940 get a chuckle out of that hole buddy or 451 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:48,179 one of those 452 00:23:56,830 --> 00:23:53,030 aura cameras so-called order cameras 453 00:24:01,220 --> 00:23:56,840 menopause center and weight loss is he 454 00:24:05,660 --> 00:24:01,230 beeswax among Chinese acupuncture and 455 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:05,670 massage lots of dream catchers here i'm 456 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:07,720 passing at the moment 457 00:24:15,149 --> 00:24:13,330 had a funny dream last night clinical 458 00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,159 health clinic has the word health again 459 00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,159 more dream catchers goodness me that's 460 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:20,159 more dream catchers here than I've seen 461 00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:25,030 in a while more beeswax candles Feng 462 00:24:30,270 --> 00:24:28,360 Shui laws with Roxanne all I know 463 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:30,280 Roxanne it's your wave at me as I walked 464 00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:32,110 past 465 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:36,780 claiming magnetic jewelry yeah 466 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:38,940 one question that keeps popping up year 467 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:40,530 after year is where are the authorities 468 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,990 there are so many dodgy claims being 469 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:45,120 made here 11 is when the government is 470 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:47,130 going to come in and have a word to some 471 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:48,930 of these people here's an interesting 472 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:51,290 one does your dog and cat suffer from 473 00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:55,530 itchy skin bad breath arthritis licking 474 00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:57,990 poor skin allergies please ear or eye 475 00:25:05,410 --> 00:25:01,440 infections travel digestive and bowel 476 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:05,420 problems thyroid skin allergies anxiety 477 00:25:11,050 --> 00:25:07,890 natural animal solutions one hundred 478 00:25:13,820 --> 00:25:11,060 percent natural professionally 479 00:25:16,220 --> 00:25:13,830 formulated by Australian naturopaths the 480 00:25:19,610 --> 00:25:16,230 other side says scientifically developed 481 00:25:23,030 --> 00:25:19,620 clinical health care no further comment 482 00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:23,040 needed one notices of these things lots 483 00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:27,800 of people waving their hands at people 484 00:25:32,660 --> 00:25:31,020 there's one chap who is looking at 485 00:25:35,260 --> 00:25:32,670 people one hand in the air and the other 486 00:25:38,530 --> 00:25:35,270 hand sort of spiraling towards use them 487 00:25:40,750 --> 00:25:38,540 mmm patient 488 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:40,760 I think I've mentioned this tip on the 489 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:43,070 skeptics on before but at the moment 490 00:25:47,890 --> 00:25:45,290 I've got my phone up to my ear as if I'm 491 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:47,900 having a chat to somebody not only can i 492 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:49,450 record without looking like a complete 493 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:53,570 Wally but people will ignore you it's 494 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:54,980 amazing when you're on the phone people 495 00:25:58,810 --> 00:25:57,050 just sort of look through you as if 496 00:26:01,930 --> 00:25:58,820 you're not there so you're not hassled 497 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:01,940 by vendors and it's amazing it's like a 498 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:03,650 huge get out of free jail card when 499 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:05,330 you're in the social situation just to 500 00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:07,490 be on the phone in Europe in your own 501 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:10,580 little world we're all passing chakra 502 00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:14,240 balancing crystals we have some tins 503 00:26:21,379 --> 00:26:18,020 machine dr. tins in a huge acupuncture 504 00:26:28,729 --> 00:26:23,359 breakfast on your shoulder and away you 505 00:26:30,139 --> 00:26:28,739 go infrared saunas actually I amid 506 00:26:31,489 --> 00:26:30,149 somebody wants to the mind-body wallet 507 00:26:32,869 --> 00:26:31,499 first of all who is very angry the 508 00:26:35,089 --> 00:26:32,879 infrared saunas claiming that they 509 00:26:38,269 --> 00:26:35,099 weren't real saunas because real saunas 510 00:26:41,419 --> 00:26:38,279 of course your steam I'll let them fight 511 00:26:44,959 --> 00:26:41,429 that amongst themselves Oh astrology the 512 00:26:50,169 --> 00:26:44,969 old favorites are here what's this am I 513 00:26:52,339 --> 00:26:50,179 Australia one stop detox leaf greens 514 00:26:54,949 --> 00:26:52,349 there's even a psychic here with a 515 00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:54,959 crystal ball I kid you not Kari C 516 00:27:00,940 --> 00:26:57,299 psychic medium crystal ball readings 517 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:00,950 with Kerry sees good heavens 518 00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:03,830 then at home reiki courses talking about 519 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:06,440 people waving their hands well they're 520 00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,730 actually touching the people there we 521 00:27:12,910 --> 00:27:09,279 are how nice is that new world 522 00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:17,900 three health assessment hmm 523 00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:20,700 is a standard of people selling light 524 00:27:28,130 --> 00:27:25,080 bulbs now we're passing happy science 525 00:27:34,370 --> 00:27:28,140 Australia I don't think it's nice to 526 00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:34,380 have science somehow here candles as a 527 00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:36,870 couple of ear candle stands here they're 528 00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:40,740 still legal unfortunately it wouldn't be 529 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:44,960 a mind-body wallet without iridology 530 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:47,490 iridology you know see your health 531 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,370 through your eyes see your health 532 00:27:57,070 --> 00:27:52,480 potential 533 00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:57,080 hmm it's an interesting thing that 534 00:28:05,000 --> 00:27:59,510 everybody should know called weasel 535 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:05,010 words may help with words this effect 536 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:08,090 the more I walk around here the more 537 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:11,040 just it becomes apparent to me that you 538 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:14,250 could seriously you could set up just 539 00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:17,790 about anything here look professional 540 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:20,880 have a few glossy signs make up 541 00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:22,770 something to back up your your claims 542 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:25,800 and people would turn up and people give 543 00:28:30,860 --> 00:28:27,710 you their money I'm not kidding it's 544 00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:30,870 it's a I don't know what it is it's 545 00:28:34,670 --> 00:28:32,430 human nature this is what people are 546 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:34,680 like I guess maybe it's an indictment of 547 00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:36,540 our educational system where our society 548 00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:47,640 and so it's time for me to make my way 549 00:28:53,850 --> 00:28:51,039 out of mind-body wallet for another six 550 00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:55,919 not much has changed over the years I 551 00:29:02,049 --> 00:29:00,080 guess it's a 552 00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:02,059 it's interesting and depressing at the 553 00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:05,240 same time really but as always I would 554 00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:08,140 always recommend that any skeptic camera 555 00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:14,029 at least comes along to a mind-body 556 00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:31,050 virtual skeptics is a weekly web show in 557 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:32,860 which we discuss the latest news in 558 00:29:36,660 --> 00:29:35,170 skepticism whether it's a new case of 559 00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:36,670 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this is Joe alabaster last week I 574 00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:31,950 chatted about strange claims and myths 575 00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,799 surrounding conception pregnancy this 576 00:30:41,239 --> 00:30:36,539 week we're moving on to birth and early 577 00:30:43,580 --> 00:30:41,249 childhood late pregnancy by 38 weeks or 578 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:43,590 so many women are a bit over pregnancy 579 00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:46,169 and just want the baby out I noticed 580 00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,940 discussions on my parenting forum 581 00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:49,679 turning to methods to bring on labor 582 00:30:55,639 --> 00:30:52,590 eating spicy foods drinking castor oil 583 00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,649 and having sex the former two are 584 00:31:00,320 --> 00:30:57,960 intended to get the bowel moving somehow 585 00:31:01,789 --> 00:31:00,330 affecting the uterus also there is no 586 00:31:03,739 --> 00:31:01,799 good evidence that this works and 587 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:03,749 drinking castor oil runs the risk of 588 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:06,210 inducing horrible diarrhea potentially 589 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:08,970 dehydrating the mother-to-be other 590 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:11,369 methods that women try acupuncture 591 00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:14,850 acupressure eating pineapple bumpy car 592 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:17,460 rides walking and particular exercises 593 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:19,769 there's no evidence that these are at 594 00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:21,690 all effective though some women will 595 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,399 swear by them not taking into 596 00:31:28,129 --> 00:31:25,440 consideration that the labor may well be 597 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,139 on its way regardless correlation and 598 00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,480 causation there are some herbal 599 00:31:34,999 --> 00:31:32,279 preparations which may have an effect on 600 00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,009 the uterus or cervix but frankly taking 601 00:31:39,499 --> 00:31:37,679 substances that are unregulated not well 602 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:39,509 measured and are causing changes in the 603 00:31:43,419 --> 00:31:41,369 body of a highly pregnant woman strikes 604 00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:43,429 me as potentially rather dangerous in 605 00:31:47,749 --> 00:31:46,169 late pregnancy Australian women are 606 00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,759 regularly in touch with Hospital 607 00:31:52,609 --> 00:31:50,159 midwives and obstetricians if for some 608 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:52,619 reason induction it is recommended they 609 00:31:58,460 --> 00:31:54,690 can carry it out in a supervised and 610 00:32:01,460 --> 00:31:58,470 evidence-based manner for my first birth 611 00:32:02,479 --> 00:32:01,470 I wanted to avoid having an epidural not 612 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:02,489 because I'd fallen for the 613 00:32:06,229 --> 00:32:04,289 misinformation surrounding the risks of 614 00:32:07,999 --> 00:32:06,239 having an epidural and there are minor 615 00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:08,009 risks which an anesthetist should 616 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:10,070 discuss with women during a consultation 617 00:32:15,139 --> 00:32:12,450 but because I was rather squeamish about 618 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:15,149 the idea of having on puddin I do find 619 00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:16,830 this little amusing in retrospect 620 00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,809 worrying about a needle was one of the 621 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:20,159 furthest things from our mind during 622 00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,769 labor nonetheless I did look into 623 00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:25,039 alternative methods of pain relief a 624 00:32:30,919 --> 00:32:27,960 TENS machine transcutaneous electrical 625 00:32:33,349 --> 00:32:30,929 nerve stimulation was the first idea I 626 00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:33,359 looked into the evidence for their 627 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:35,309 effectiveness is weak and more studies 628 00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,570 are needed but 629 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:38,399 risks of using them a minimal and they 630 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:39,990 do give women an active role in managing 631 00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,450 at least some sensations in their bodies 632 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:44,700 if not controlling the pain itself as 633 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:47,940 tens units are self-operated while I was 634 00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:49,710 looking around online at companies who 635 00:32:54,610 --> 00:32:51,899 hired out labor tens machines I came 636 00:32:58,580 --> 00:32:54,620 across one who was also selling 637 00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:58,590 homeopathic birthing kits for just $99 638 00:33:03,499 --> 00:33:00,600 women can purchase a little plastic box 639 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:03,509 containing 13 vials of sugar pills and 640 00:33:09,499 --> 00:33:07,769 I've no doubt that some women do hypno 641 00:33:11,539 --> 00:33:09,509 birthing is a rather popular system 642 00:33:14,779 --> 00:33:11,549 quite a few women in my birth group 643 00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:14,789 bought the books CDs DVDs and attended 644 00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,700 the classes hypno birthing is a self 645 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:20,159 hypnosis method and its philosophy seems 646 00:33:23,899 --> 00:33:21,870 to espouse the notion that childbirth 647 00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:23,909 canon be painless comfortable and 648 00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:25,980 intervention free and that much of the 649 00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,840 pain experienced by women during labor 650 00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,419 is due to fears of being in pain and a 651 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:33,120 lack of control I cannot comment on 652 00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:35,250 hypno birthing zephyr Casilla but I 653 00:33:38,869 --> 00:33:37,470 would like to personally note that one 654 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:38,879 of the things that concerns me about 655 00:33:43,249 --> 00:33:41,190 this and other methods and ideologies 656 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:43,259 which promote an empowered painless 657 00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:45,809 birthing experience is the potential for 658 00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:47,700 women to experience disappointment and 659 00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,559 distress if they do require medical 660 00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,320 intervention do experience pain or in 661 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:54,000 some other way their experience doesn't 662 00:34:00,080 --> 00:33:56,129 meet up with what they've been told and 663 00:34:02,029 --> 00:34:00,090 have believed that can be delayed cord 664 00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,039 clamping is a common request made of 665 00:34:06,350 --> 00:34:04,320 midwives the claim is that the blood 666 00:34:08,569 --> 00:34:06,360 within the umbilical cord is beneficial 667 00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,579 to the newly born baby and while there 668 00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:10,500 is no notable long-term benefit in doing 669 00:34:16,309 --> 00:34:13,139 so delaying cord clamping is of no harm 670 00:34:18,859 --> 00:34:16,319 a more extreme practice is that of lotus 671 00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:18,869 birth in which the umbilical cord is not 672 00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:21,060 cut and remains attached to the placenta 673 00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:22,919 until it disintegrates on its own 674 00:34:27,379 --> 00:34:25,800 several days postpartum there is no 675 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:27,389 evidence that keeping the placenta 676 00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:29,730 attached is of any benefit and there is 677 00:34:33,619 --> 00:34:31,560 a risk that infection can occur in the 678 00:34:36,859 --> 00:34:33,629 placenta transferring to the baby via 679 00:34:38,089 --> 00:34:36,869 the umbilical cord the most worrying 680 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:38,099 misinformation I've come across 681 00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:40,589 regarding Lotus birthing was given by 682 00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:42,750 the Australian vaccination Network a 683 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:45,419 woman who was advised to have an anti d 684 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:47,429 injection by her medical providers as 685 00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:48,870 the child she is carrying with 686 00:34:54,410 --> 00:34:51,870 h+ and she was Rh negative was advised 687 00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:54,420 by the AVM that the anti D injection 688 00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:56,940 contained a fire muzzle it does not and 689 00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:59,640 to consider a lotus birth as they were 690 00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:01,380 under the impression that late cord 691 00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:03,600 clamping and lotus birth eliminates the 692 00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:05,070 exchange of blood between mother and 693 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:08,880 baby they do not the H Triple C have 694 00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:12,330 addressed this claim on to lactation 695 00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:14,430 there are plenty of myths and much 696 00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:16,110 advice regarding establishing 697 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:18,150 breastfeeding should a woman wish to do 698 00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,910 so and increasing milk supply from 699 00:35:26,420 --> 00:35:23,040 consuming the placenta either cooked 700 00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,430 fresh or dehydrated taking herbs to a 701 00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:28,560 lactation cookies recipe that has been 702 00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,420 doing the rounds via parenting forums 703 00:35:35,690 --> 00:35:32,820 for some years I'll admit to having 704 00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:35,700 baked the cookies or rather having had 705 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:38,040 somebody bake the cookies for me whether 706 00:35:43,930 --> 00:35:39,450 they actually have a go back to log 707 00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:43,940 effect is disputable but cookies 708 00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:46,020 maintaining supply during breastfeeding 709 00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,270 can be an incredibly waris and concern 710 00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:50,160 especially for new parents who are 711 00:35:54,830 --> 00:35:51,990 experiencing one heck of a life change 712 00:35:56,570 --> 00:35:54,840 and often very little sleep early 713 00:35:58,610 --> 00:35:56,580 childhood nurses are experienced in 714 00:36:00,800 --> 00:35:58,620 monitoring how feeding is going and can 715 00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:00,810 refer families to a lactation consultant 716 00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:04,260 if any problems are suspected mastitis 717 00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:08,940 is a pain characterized by saw painful 718 00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,950 or hardened breasts flu-like symptoms 719 00:36:15,350 --> 00:36:13,440 and a high temperature it can be caused 720 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:15,360 by inflammation due to blocked milk 721 00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,930 ducts or from a bacterial infection this 722 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:20,760 is one state to the GP should it be 723 00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,650 experienced there's some women try to 724 00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:24,240 treat it at home with cabbage leaves 725 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:27,470 applied to the breasts and homeopathics 726 00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:30,930 young babies can experience colic which 727 00:36:35,180 --> 00:36:33,030 is the term used to describe unexplained 728 00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:35,190 crying fetch which usually happen in the 729 00:36:39,770 --> 00:36:37,350 afternoon and evening the cause is 730 00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,780 unknown and it's generally self-limiting 731 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:41,820 again speak with an early childhood 732 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:44,510 nurse or your GP if you're concerned 733 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:46,710 naturally there are a few claims that 734 00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:48,350 there's a queue of colic out there 735 00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,150 chiropractors treated pharmacies so 736 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:53,700 homeopathics and gripe water a horrible 737 00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:55,530 concoction with no demonstrated efficacy 738 00:37:02,130 --> 00:36:59,280 and quite sure that I could do an entire 739 00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:02,140 series on myths surrounding vaccinations 740 00:37:05,970 --> 00:37:03,670 and make a full time job of refuting 741 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:05,980 them dr. Richie has written extensively 742 00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:08,529 on vaccination myths on the off chance 743 00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:10,390 you haven't already I recommend checking 744 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:12,460 out her articles on the conversation and 745 00:37:19,319 --> 00:37:15,849 Mamma Mia the final topic I would like 746 00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:19,329 to discuss today is teething now here's 747 00:37:24,299 --> 00:37:21,700 one of my personal bugbears when the 748 00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:24,309 exhausted parent of a grumpy sleepless 749 00:37:28,049 --> 00:37:26,230 teething baby walks into a pharmacy 750 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:28,059 looking for something to relieve their 751 00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:30,190 Bub's discomfort and they approach the 752 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:32,740 baby needs oil that generally confronted 753 00:37:36,259 --> 00:37:34,510 with an array of gels and such which 754 00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:36,269 claim to soothe the pain of teething 755 00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:39,220 some have active ingredients some claim 756 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:42,220 to be natural some have nothing in them 757 00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,609 at all homeopathic teething remedies on 758 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:47,920 the shelves next to those with active 759 00:37:53,460 --> 00:37:50,890 ingredients so many of my birth group 760 00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:53,470 friends generally quite savvy people but 761 00:37:57,029 --> 00:37:54,849 without a particular interest in 762 00:37:58,740 --> 00:37:57,039 skepticism picked up the homeopathic 763 00:38:00,779 --> 00:37:58,750 remedies instead of those which had a 764 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:00,789 chance of having an effect under the 765 00:38:03,859 --> 00:38:01,990 impression that they were doing 766 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:03,869 something to help their infants of 767 00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:06,130 course there are homeopathics 768 00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:08,140 masquerading as medicines in pharmacies 769 00:38:12,329 --> 00:38:09,880 which have the potential to do more harm 770 00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:12,339 in particular those which people up to 771 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:14,140 use in lieu of seeking medical advice 772 00:38:19,289 --> 00:38:17,410 for potentially serious conditions but 773 00:38:21,509 --> 00:38:19,299 the pharmacies would choose to deceive 774 00:38:24,089 --> 00:38:21,519 young parents by selling homeopathics 775 00:38:27,089 --> 00:38:24,099 alongside effective teething gels really 776 00:38:29,009 --> 00:38:27,099 galls me needless to say I fully support 777 00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,019 dr. ken hobbies campaign against 778 00:38:34,259 --> 00:38:31,740 homeopathics being sold in pharmacies 779 00:38:37,730 --> 00:38:34,269 the other highly popular teething bunk 780 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:37,740 is the Baltic amber teething necklace 781 00:38:42,299 --> 00:38:40,210 those who listen to my report last week 782 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:42,309 maybe guessing what I'm about to admit 783 00:38:47,460 --> 00:38:45,490 to I'd like to preface this with a note 784 00:38:49,859 --> 00:38:47,470 that when my son was teething I was 785 00:38:52,109 --> 00:38:49,869 incredibly worn out experiencing 786 00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:52,119 postnatal depression and anxiety barely 787 00:38:56,430 --> 00:38:54,759 sleeping and desperate a situation that 788 00:38:58,980 --> 00:38:56,440 I imagine is common to a heck of a lot 789 00:39:02,460 --> 00:38:58,990 of new parents we're generally not at 790 00:39:04,109 --> 00:39:02,470 our most mentally acute the TGA warnings 791 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:04,119 were not out yet and I was not involved 792 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:06,910 in any skeptical communities I'm not 793 00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:08,170 presenting this background information 794 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:10,359 as an excuse but hopefully it will serve 795 00:39:14,249 --> 00:39:12,130 as an explanation as to the state of 796 00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:14,259 mind of parents who buy into these silly 797 00:39:19,289 --> 00:39:15,910 things 798 00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:19,299 I bought my son a Baltic amber necklace 799 00:39:25,799 --> 00:39:22,950 to help with his teething discomfort oh 800 00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:25,809 they don't help there's no plausible 801 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:27,910 mechanism by which they can release an 802 00:39:32,279 --> 00:39:29,890 analgesic substance when warmed against 803 00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,289 the skin which is their claim they were 804 00:39:36,180 --> 00:39:34,240 choking and strangulation hazard I 805 00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:36,190 learned this while the necklace was in 806 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:37,780 the post and my son didn't wear it 807 00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:40,210 though many of my parenting friends have 808 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:42,910 put them on their kids when the subject 809 00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:45,430 arises many taker well what's the harm 810 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:47,500 approach to whether they're effective or 811 00:39:52,319 --> 00:39:50,170 not to my mind the harms of potential 812 00:39:53,819 --> 00:39:52,329 strangulation and choking to which 813 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:53,829 they're generally reply that their 814 00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:55,410 children early weather must supervise 815 00:40:00,750 --> 00:39:58,480 wasted money the investment of hope in a 816 00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:00,760 sham and the perpetuation of cultural 817 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:03,670 acceptance of the silly things and there 818 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:05,650 is a cultural acceptance and even 819 00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,720 promotion of so many myths and shams 820 00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:10,720 surrounding early parenthood it can be 821 00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:12,180 incredibly difficult to navigate 822 00:40:16,859 --> 00:40:14,200 particularly when you're immersed in the 823 00:40:20,269 --> 00:40:16,869 exhausting elating emotional and opinion 824 00:40:22,589 --> 00:40:20,279 heavy world of caring for a new baby if 825 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,599 skepticism and science-based parenting 826 00:40:27,059 --> 00:40:24,880 is a topic which interests you Lauren 827 00:40:29,549 --> 00:40:27,069 Cochran president of Canberra skeptics 828 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:29,559 and myself have started up a Facebook 829 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,049 group parenting skeptically which would 830 00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:34,200 welcome you to lack and participate in 831 00:40:39,089 --> 00:40:36,819 also olurum will be speaking at Brisbane 832 00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,099 skepta camp next month on the topic 833 00:40:44,609 --> 00:40:41,680 parenting skeptically mummy guilt versus 834 00:40:46,799 --> 00:40:44,619 good science brisbane skepta camp is on 835 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:46,809 the 19th of july at hamilton town hall 836 00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,510 check out riz skeptic amp dot org for 837 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:51,760 more information i'll also be there 838 00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:53,410 wandering about with my skeptic zone 839 00:41:02,970 --> 00:40:54,940 microphone and speaking to some 840 00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:05,830 you've argued against the same woo so 841 00:41:09,850 --> 00:41:07,360 many times you can do it in your sleep 842 00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:09,860 quit trying to stop the nonsense one 843 00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:11,990 person at a time join guerrilla 844 00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:14,750 skepticism on Wikipedia help us make 845 00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:16,550 sure the best skeptical information is 846 00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,920 always at everyone's fingertips we need 847 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:22,160 writers editors translators we need you 848 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:24,530 and take as much or as little time as 849 00:41:29,770 --> 00:41:27,650 you can give us help us make Wikipedia 850 00:41:31,180 --> 00:41:29,780 as accurate as it can be and you'll 851 00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:31,190 literally be helping people while you 852 00:41:36,790 --> 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Karl cruising whiskey in 862 00:42:13,819 --> 00:42:11,940 Las Vegas it's dr. Cole's first time at 863 00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:13,829 the amazing meeting if you're coming to 864 00:42:19,549 --> 00:42:16,980 the amazing meeting say hello to me say 865 00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:19,559 hello to dr. Karl I'm sure we'll have a 866 00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:23,160 really great time and that's just so we 867 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:25,859 can whet our appetite for the Australian 868 00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:27,930 skeptics National Convention which will 869 00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:33,299 be in November November the 28 29 and 30 870 00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:35,220 if this year and you can get your 871 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:38,940 tickets are at convention skeptics calm 872 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:41,970 today you guests include the skeptics 873 00:42:47,299 --> 00:42:44,880 guide to the universe george horeb dick 874 00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,309 smith dr. carless of mentioned dr. 875 00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,500 Rachel be giving a talk Sonia Pemberton 876 00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:52,319 patina art and many more yet to be 877 00:42:56,059 --> 00:42:54,750 announced looking forward to seeing you 878 00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:56,069 they are looking forward to seeing you 879 00:43:02,539 --> 00:42:58,680 at tam wherever you see me please come 880 00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,549 up and say hello but for this week this 881 00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:04,319 is Richard Saunders and Fred the cat 882 00:43:14,779 --> 00:43:11,400 signing off from Sydney Australia you've 883 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:14,789 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 884 00:43:21,859 --> 00:43:19,410 our website at www skeptic zone TV for